Redmax EBZ8000 or Stihl BR600

[fatboyvc]

After reading all of the comments on these two machines I came to the conclusion that both were very dependable and probably would not go wrong with either one. I went to the local dealers & looked at both first hand. I was immediately impressed by the size of the Redmax. The Stihl (although I'm sure a great unit) looked like a toy next to the Redmax. I also tried them both on. I am not a large person but did not even notice the extra weight of the Redmax. I will be working with the Redmax & will let you know how it holds up. Thanks for all the input. Let me know if you think I made the right choice.

[Shoal]

you did what you needed to do based on the info you got and you couldnt make a bad decission between those two units. both very dependable units good luck shhoal

[Jack D.]

The BR600 is far too new to be classified as "dependable" & the Redmax 8000 has been far less dependable than the 7001 & 7000.

Regardless, the 8000 blows harder than the BR600 and early production problems have been generally fixed.

Please do not refer to a brand new unit such as the BR600 as "dependable" in the future. Jack D. requires at least 2 full seasons of hard work for a unit to be given that classification.

The Echo 650/750 is dependable as are the Redmax 7000 & 7001 and the vastly underpowered BR 400/420 has achieved a very dependable rating after undergoing over 10 years of testing.

[Scaper-S2k]

The Redmax does not move more air than the br600. I found the Redmax to be a lot like the bigger Kawasaki blowers. Especially the tubes and the straps. They don't seem to put the air where you want it to go. The Stihl tube does. It is also much more ergonomic to start, carry, and use.

Mine is just about broken in, so who knows how it will stand up down the road. Hopefully it is close to the reliability of the br420's of years back.

[Jack D.]

Please note that the Redmax 8000 is in no way similar to the inferior Kaw. blowers.

The Stihl BR600 provides pinpoint airflow, however the 8000 produces a larger pinpoint and moves significantly more air. Jack D. has run both side by each for a week and is still amazed at the power of the Redmax compared to the Echo 650/750 and BR600.

The power will become especially noticeable when moving large piles of wet leaves this Fall.

[Scaper-S2k]

Your comment is simply not true. As I stated, the tubes are very close from the Redmax to the Kawasaki. Same stupid 'C' clamps, same stupid wire holding the throttle cable, same look.

The Redmax moves less air at the housing AND at the tube than the br600. I'm sorry, but it does. And with you admitting that the air flow is much better aimed with the Stihl, that makes it just that much better.

[Shoal]

I tend to agree with Erich here. if the air your blowing is not directed well then it is a waste of breath. if your trying to blow in a certain direction and debri is being push in the opposite direction it is a waste of time. Stihl seems to get the most out of its power.

Jack, what I meant as dependable was the companies. but I did say the units.I will have watch my typing.
shaol

[Jack D.]

Mr. Skaper may wish to compare the specs, including cc's, mph & cfm of the 8000 and the Kaw KRB units before speculating on the tubes performance.

[Scaper-S2k]

Jack, I'm not comparing anything between the Kaws and the Redmax except the ergonomics, and the tube design. They both lag behind Stihl.


Uh, you might also want to compare specs, the Stihl puts out more air, not only at the housing, but also at the tube. Now add that it puts the air more where you want it.......it's a no brainer.

[Jack D.]

All of Mr. Skaper's speculation stems from his experience with the inferior Kaw. blower that he purchased against Jack D.'s instructions. The KRB units are nowhere near the Redmax.

Please note that at one point Mr. Skaper actually stated that a Stihl BR 400/420 was better than an Echo 650/750 because of the "pinpoint" tube. The fact is that compared to an Echo 650/750, the BR400/420 is a glorified handheld and one would need strap 2 BR400/420's on their back to compare.

Jack D. has tested these blowers extensively in real life situations and has posted the results in previous threads. Please do a search.

Please remember that Mr. Skaper at one point actually claimed that the vastly underpowered BR400/420 was comparable to a high output 650/750.

Please note that these are not Kawasaki Blowers.

[Scaper-S2k]

I'm not speculating on anything. The br600 puts out more air than the Redmax 8000. And not just that, but it puts it where you want it to go.

Don't get upset with me about it, call Redmax.


I don't believe I have ever made a comment about an that Echo blower's power being equal to a br420. Matter of fact, I know I haven't.




The only thing I am saying about the Kawasaki is in regards to the tube. It didn't put air where you needed it. And it is very similar to the Redmax (as in the tube), possibly the same.


You are having a comprehesion problem today.

[Jack D.]

Please note that Mr. Skaper claims "possibly the same", which means he has never touched an 8000.

Mr. Skaper bases his theory on specs put out by Stihl well after the 8000's introduction. Specs which have no mandatory requirements and can be easily manipulated. Please be advised that in /06 horsepower ratings on smaller mowers will be illegal because they are too abstract and can be manipulated with no change to an engine. The same is true w/cfm, mph specs on blowers which is why push blowers rarely use those numbers.

Please note the numbers which cannot be manipulated. Stihl BR600-64.8cc. Redmax 8000-71.9 cc.

Please be advised that the Redmax puts the air where you need it and puts more air where you need it than the Stihl BR600 based on real life experience and not numbers on a page. The BR600 is currently the World's Second Most Powerful Backpack which is a huge leap forward from about tenth place with the BR 400/420 & 550's.

Please note that a Shindaiwa 85cc blower is now avail. for testing and will be at you local Shindaiwa dealer shortly.

[Scaper-S2k]

Are you dunce in the head today? I said "possibly the same" because I didn't sit the Kaw next to the Redmax and compare tubes. I used the Redmax for a day. That's all I needed. As stated, the tubes are very similar to the Kaws....possibly the same. Does THAT comment really wad up your panties?


Great, now you say specs don't mean crap. So basically no one can debate anything? Sweet. Because all we need to say is "They must have lied in their specs".

64cc versus 71cc??? You sound like one of my dumbest employees. He told me "Welp, a Ford Taurus has a V-6, so it should be faster than a Suburu WRX 4 cyl cause it's gotta bigger engine".

Sure thing Mr. Numb.

By your standards, a $150 cheap Ryobi 33cc trimmer should chew holes in all of our commercial 25cc trimmers huh? Get real.

[Jack D.]

Please note that Mr. Skaper is extremely naive if he believes the cfm, mph numbers cannot be manipulated. There are no guidelines for these numbers which is why push blowers rarely use them. Obviously the numbers are "in a range" just as the hp ratings of engines which can be bumped .5hp with no changes to the engine. Please be advised that the 8001, when introduced, will manipulate the numbers to slightly higher than the Stihl. Stihl is new to playing with the Big Dawgs but Jack D. can assure all that this is how the game is played.

The real test comes in the field and the Redmax is just flat out more powerful and will move large amounts of debris quicker.

Jack D. strongly suspects that the 85cc Shindaiwa, which is also a "4Mix" type will outpower all competition.

Jack D. will provide a fair analysis of this unit once it becomes avaialble.

[Scaper-S2k]

I never said numbers couldn't be manipulated. What I think is funny is that you think the ones manipulated are from the equipment that I happened to purchase. Big surprise there! Had I bought the Redmax, you would have said the I screwed up because Stihl just came out with the better one.

We've been down this road too many times.