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[liquidforcedude7]

I want to know how long a (sp)> residential/homeowner lawn mower will last. It wouldnt be worked very hard maybe twice a week for a few hours each time. If this wore the case is it still worth spending all the extra money and getting a commercial??? or will a homeowner work fine??? Its a 2002 toro zero turn.

I have a commercial john deere self-propelled mower and I really like it ive had it for 2 years and I bought it at a yard sale for 40 dollars the guy had had it for 3 years and hadnt ever done anything to it except an occasional oil change and blades sharpened and I havent had anywork needed on it either. So im very satisfied witht that purchase. And I have a troy-bilt mower that we bought for 900$ a few years ago used only one summer prior to my purchase and it was residential and its just now starting to show its useage (pulleys and belts going bad for cutting deck and axel snapped the other day). Ive never had a toro before. Is there home owner series andy good??

[liquidforcedude7]

Any Thoughts??

[TRANSMAN]

I`ll bite!!!

I want to know how long a (sp)> residential/homeowner lawn mower will last. It wouldnt be worked very hard maybe twice a week for a few hours each time. If this wore the case is it still worth spending all the extra money and getting a commercial??? or will a homeowner work fine??? Its a 2002 toro zero turn.

I have a commercial john deere self-propelled mower and I really like it ive had it for 2 years and I bought it at a yard sale for 40 dollars the guy had had it for 3 years and hadnt ever done anything to it except an occasional oil change and blades sharpened and I havent had anywork needed on it either. So im very satisfied witht that purchase. And I have a troy-bilt mower that we bought for 900$ a few years ago used only one summer prior to my purchase and it was residential and its just now starting to show its useage (pulleys and belts going bad for cutting deck and axel snapped the other day). Ive never had a toro before. Is there home owner series andy good??

Any Thoughts....

Basically what you have hear is a loaded question that must be danced around to dodge the wrath of everyone here who has said that commercial equiptment is a "must have" to make money....

P.S:: The loaded shotgun is pointed directly at my head and both barrels are ready to be fired......

If your cutting a small to medium size yard 2 times a week i personally think spending $10,000 for a real commercial mower that is desined in theory to be used 40+ hours pr week 52 weeks pr year unneeded,is not required and generally a stupid decision.....

Commercial eeuiptment is desined to work a minimum of roughly 2000hrs pr year without everything falling apart.....

Many variables can significantly reduce the number of hours actually used pr year and some commercial or industrial equiptment run will actually pile on over 8000 hrs in a year......

When i worked as a sandhog in N.Y city building water tunnels 800 ft beneath the city we had giant v-16 cyl diesel air compressors running atop the shaft supplieing air for certain tools and air locks.....Men worked arond the clock shifts weekly, and this particular tool would run up 8000 hrs a year.....

This expensive lump of iron was definately needed ,and some home owner "craftsmans BEST" aircompressor would probably not have held up, or provided the necessary abalities to do the job......

If your useing your mower 2 times a week and for only a couple hours per use it probably falls under residential use.....

It wouldnt be worked very hard maybe twice a week for a few hours each time.

Twice a week its pulled out then run two hours on each weekly occassion......... 2 X 2= 4..............52 X 4=208.....

So i assume you will put a measly 4 hrs pr week and if so and you have no winter every 52 week year you`ll pile a whole 208 hrs on this baby.......

2 years of perfect weather you`ll pile up 416 hrs......

10 years of the same perfect conditions and you`ll hit the 2080hr mark.....

You probably have some off season ,or rainy weeks where the equiptment will not run so your hourly usage will probably be less....JUST a GUESS....

I always had good luck getting more life out of residential equiptment, then others i knew because i knew their mechanical limits ,and didnt drop anything with plastic wheels out the beds of my trucks or from low flying aircraft.....

When i was 16 yrs old working for a big houseing park me and this other guy got put in charge of mowing about 120 acres of grass.....

The owners suppied us with these bulletproff , super heavy, 180 pound goliath , commercial snappers that were in my oppinion overbuilt, user punishing, hunks of junks....

When i decided to bring my personal self proppelled lawnboy in, the laughter from the management/other ignorant employees, roared as i listened to stories about the decks explodeing from rocks i would inevidably hit, and piston ,and rods shootng out because it just "wasnt commercial".....

Well some cheasy bet was made as to weather or not the mower would last the week!!!!! Stupid on their part as anything will last a week, but regardless i won the $150 easily, and i also put 15 pounds back on because i wasnt pushing that battletank orange monstrosity that i was told was "imperrative"........

I wanted to make a bet about the lawnboy makeing it through the entire season but it seems the older fellos realised i might not be as stupid as they orriginally thought and declined on putting a grand where their mouthes were........... They hid and played the baby " Gentlemans bet" nonsence because they found out they didnt have any idea what they were talking about and were still crying about the $20 each,that each real dummy had to fork over to the stupid kid......

The lawn boy made it through the entire season with zero problems ,then i also gave my workmate another self propelled B&S powered unit to save his life also......NO PROBLEMS!!!!

The next season all push mower were put in storage when i explained to the manager i could do all the work with the Brand new Grasshopper they had mothballed in the Corner of the main shop......

First i heard the story about how all the older guys couldnt master this very complex machine but after reminding how stupid all these dummies were and how i had to prove them wrong and DID ,,,, he then let me take it out for a spin and i prooved anyone with a brain could use this marvelous machine......

That made many older pinheads mad but my workmate and I very happy.......2 days of work then 3 days to do whatever we pleased......

Recently dureing the hurrican down in my area i had a 12 yr old Briggs and Stratton powered generator that i used to rent and was forced to pull it from my storage area.......

Hooked it up to one of my Tennents occupancies, who`s electric wasnt restored for 3 weeks after the first storm..... This ran constantly day and night in a van that was closed up to baffle the noise, and also only shut down for minuites at most to check oil daily, and refuel.....

On the first hurricane this old unit that already was actually a old "Tired" rental unit was pushed back into service, and pushed to supply power for my elderly occupents for approxamitely 500 hrs......

3 weeks =21 days X 24 hrs = 504 hrs.......Never burped unlike my new quiet power honda i was useing and "needed constant fiddleing"......

Then we got hit by another hurricane ,and the same old unit had to run the old couples airconditioner, frig, microwave,lights, etc, etc ,etc for another week and performed very impressively.......

7 days at 24 hrs pr day = 168 more hours.....

1st hurricane old used briggs gen supplied 500 usable hours of electric......
2nd hurricane old used briggs gen supplied another 168 usable hrs of electric.....This is an approximation as the old hourmeter has long ago been broken reading over 5000 hrs.....

500+168= 678 or abouts hours without a problem..... Burned very little oil and this yr will probably be set up with some sort of 100 gal drum gravity feed fuel supply so i can just go over and check 1 time weekly if god forgive the hurricane season hits again......

What does all this mean and does it have any influence on your dillemma????

I HAVE NO IDEA!!!!

BUt i seem to have pretty good luck with what some others would describe as junk......I worked most of my life as a mechanic, so i have oppinions based on what i`ve actually seen ......

I dont give advice because john told me, and said he heard it from bill who was told by jack who was told by lenny because squiggy read it on the internet.......

So in my oppinion what you have, should get you by for the use your useing it for........ Your only mowing residential duty in my oppinion and DO NOT need anything built like a tank that costs $$$12,000


Sincerely, respectively, and just my humble oppinion ,TRANS.............

P.S I only posted long semi useless post because nobody else seemed like takeing the time to answer you........

Maybe others will weigh in with an alternative oppinion now..........

[jimslawnservice1]

I have nothing left to do except agree with Trans. Residential will suit you fine!

[knowltondata]

Recently dureing the hurrican down in my area i had a 12 yr old Briggs and Stratton powered generator that i used to rent and was forced to pull it from my storage area.......

Hooked it up to one of my Tennents occupancies, who`s electric wasnt restored for 3 weeks after the first storm..... This ran constantly day and night in a van that was closed up to baffle the noise, and also only shut down for minuites at most to check oil daily, and refuel.....

On the first hurricane this old unit that already was actually a old "Tired" rental unit was pushed back into service, and pushed to supply power for my elderly occupents for approxamitely 500 hrs......

3 weeks =21 days X 24 hrs = 504 hrs.......Never burped unlike my new quiet power honda i was useing and "needed constant fiddleing"......

Then we got hit by another hurricane ,and the same old unit had to run the old couples airconditioner, frig, microwave,lights, etc, etc ,etc for another week and performed very impressively.......

7 days at 24 hrs pr day = 168 more hours.....

1st hurricane old used briggs gen supplied 500 usable hours of electric......
2nd hurricane old used briggs gen supplied another 168 usable hrs of electric.....This is an approximation as the old hourmeter has long ago been broken reading over 5000 hrs.....

500+168= 678 or abouts hours without a problem..... Burned very little oil and this yr will probably be set up with some sort of 100 gal drum gravity feed fuel supply so i can just go over and check 1 time weekly if god forgive the hurricane season hits again......

Three weeks locked in a van? Did it have external cooling?

Next whole house generator, go propane.

[TRANSMAN]

No "mis"-Quoteing Please ,Paul BABY

Three weeks locked in a van? Did it have external cooling?

Next whole house generator, go propane.

They ran constantly day and night in a van that was closed up to baffle the noise.......

Paul my son,,,, Trans never claimed to lock up this old garbage ....

Trans never claimed that windows nor anything else that might let in some air were sealed airtight with superfoam.......

*I was on my way to the drugstore after reading your reply so i stopped in at the property where old van sits houseing the old generators and other debris left on larger property of mine.....

Trans took some photos via my DVD camcorder so i did a quick DVD capture which appears a bit blurry, but you should get the picture if you wish to click.......

3 digital cameras reside either under my dock or somewher in the ocean from falling out of my boat......So untill i get a chain to lock the next camera to my body,,, captured immages via the camcorder is all i can offer......





In one of the pics you should notice it is indeed inside a van .... A van door should be noticeable......

I think everythink sits as it did almost a year ago includeing one of my many old rental aircompressors that i rented to roofers but decided to retire and bring up north with me.....

This Kawi unit had about 10,000 hrs on it and was replaced in the bussiness with a new unit..... I brought that one up to leisureville with me and forgot about it untill today....
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Theres also a little spare, spare junker generator that i would run while refilling the 7 gallon tank of the bigger green peace of junk seen in the background.....

B.T.W: Thanks for reminding, or prodding me to go check as tommorrow i`ll retrieve lost Aircompressor as i was not quite sure where it had gone...... Now i found out where it has been hideing............

BACK TO MY STORY:

Windows open dureing hurricane in this old van is not a problem....This is a old piiece of crap moveable storage unit that travels only to move big ,giant things that would harm or chip my everyday truck.......Old trustworthy 318 will revive at the click of the key and travel legally via slapping on my transporter plate, Or to others known as the Dealer Plate....

Besides, the possability of overheating a briggs and stratton engine is a mere impossability anyway......

I`ve seen numerous people who run their B&S equiptment for years with every sq inch of cooling fins packed with mud, grass and a variety of other debris resembling cement.......

Never seen one seize or burp......

Also see a lot of morons that remove all the coolling shroudeing around the motors when the starter rope breaks, and they decide to remove the whole assembly, and start the engine by wrapping a rope around the flywheel......

No fan action equals no fan cooling equals, well nothing ..... They chug right along ,and dont make a burp.........

This along with most homeowners never checking ,or god forbid changeing the oil leads me to be impressed with these underated small engines......

I`ll pass on the Propane generator for now as we only have hurricane season 1 time pr year, and have enough gens includeing very expensive Honda`s that are much quieter but not necesserally more dependable.....New doesent always mean better in real life believe me.... I used the new honda for my home and it constantly needed to be adjusted over the 600 hr hurrican debacle......THE BRIGGS RAN FLAWLESS DESPITE BEINNG GARBAGE........

******The big propane unit you describe would with my wonderfull luck most likely only BLOW AWAY dureing any hurricanes anyway.....

No i would not consider building a Generator BUNKER.............

Believe it or not, the old folks liveing at this dwelling were actually very happy the way i had the setup ,and they had the use of their Bedroom A.C, all lighting , microwave oven , T.V, Satalite dish system , and a host of DVD`s i brought over to them if they got bored dureing the crisis.......

MOst or should i say 99 percent of the locals had nothing....

So they actually were happy with what they got, and i dont think they will complain if we get the same thing again......

Sincerely, The guy with the junk that still will work when it has too ,TRANS.....................

[knowltondata]

Paul my son,,,, Trans never claimed to lock up this old garbage ....

Sincerely, The guy with the junk that still will work when it has too ,TRANS.....................

If it works don't junk it!

I was just a little concerned about airflow, that's all. I've done a lot of work with home generators and wondered if you had a heat problem.

Was that Trans talking about himself in the third person? Uh oh!

[TRANSMAN]

Wasnt me Paul!!!! maybe the evel twin or............

If it works don't junk it!

I was just a little concerned about airflow, that's all. I've done a lot of work with home generators and wondered if you had a heat problem.

Was that Trans talking about himself in the third person? Uh oh!

I dont remember anything i posted yesterday....Ut- Ohhhhh., might be the invasion of the jackD.@ /\..\::..!= snatchers!!!!I mean body snatchers....

This post in direct reply to answer question posted by my good friend paul knowl -a ton a- data,,, AKA 'THE BRAIN' ,or when in europe Mr Cerebrum......

SINCERELY, TRANS...................