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    Hello everyone,

    I’m looking for a little advice from you professionals.
    The equipment I was using to take care of my one acre yard was getting a little tired, so last spring I bought a new Scotts/John Deere lawn tractor.
    It’s the L17.542. 17.5 Kohler Command, 42 inch deck, Hydrostatic, with the bagger. I also bought a 6 horse Murray mulch/bag/push and a new Echo trimmer.
    I have a dependable one-ton, duel wheel, 8’x6’ stake body truck in good condition.

    This past September, as luck would have it, I ended my employment as the manager of mowing operations for a large turf farm.
    Part of my duties involved the upkeep of a large estate on the business property, but I generally just supervised that aspect of the job.
    The vast majority of my experience was with the big John Deere 6000 and 7000 series tractors, 22 foot rotaries and 7 and 11 gang reels.
    I know what good grass looks like, but other than the estate and my own yard, I have little experience mowing “lawns”.

    I’ve begun to think that maybe… if I picked up a good backpack blower, a trailer, a few other items and added some well directed advertising, I might pull the trigger on a small, solo (for now) lawn care business.
    I owned and ran a successful seafood operation for many years, so I have at least a rudimentary idea of how to run a business, however, that was selling a product, not a service.

    I’m 50 years old, 20 pounds overweight, have a trick knee, and I’m having a hard time picturing myself running behind a w/b ztr.
    Obviously, I already have the equipment I have.
    The market demographics of my area in southern Rhode Island look good, as the next biggest cash crop after turf, is upscale subdivisions with half million dollar homes.
    We have about an 8 month season here, if you include the cleanups.
    I own some rental property, so winters might be lean, but I can make it through them, I think.
    The problem is, as I sit here in mid January, I don’t have one single account and I’ve never bid a mowing job in my life. I also know that my mowers aren’t commercial grade, and that the 18” turn radius of the Scotts is going to add TIME to each job.
    I’m just wondering if it’s practical at all, to think I might be able to squeak by for a couple of seasons until I see that the business is taking off or not.
    Am I nuts or what?
    Any advice, comments or reality checks are most welcome.
    Thank you,

    Dave

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    <b>Welcome to the Lawnservicing Forum Community, Rhodester!</b> []

    You Might have a Harder Time on Smaller Lawns with the Tractor. As far as getting around in tight places, The Tractor will just take longer to cut the smaller ones! You can get a Stand on or Set & Ride on attachment for a Larger Walk Behind. You are only looking at a few $100 New for one of the Attachments. What are the other guys using in your area to cut with?

    Don't Worry about the extra 20 Lbs. it will be gone by August, if it's not gone, it means you don't have enough work? []

    On the upper right hand of these forum pages you will see a Blue "Search" link. Use it to do reading about different things, such as Bidding, Advertising & so forth. There is a Mountain of Info here already...

    Then as you have Questions Ask them, We are Here to Help. I pitch in when I can!
    GrassMaster, LSF Administrator!
    LawnPro - Lawn Care Business Software:
    www.lawnbook.com --- www.lawnservicing.com

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      If things were to take off quickly you may not have to use that equipment you have for long. You could at least move up to a comm'l w/b with sulky pretty quick. Only you can decide if you can make it work. There are many 1 or 2 season wonders out there that didn't really ever want to do this business so they went out of business. They just heard that it has real good money in it. Whatever! Not in 1 or 2 seasons.

      If you truely want to be in this business and truely love the work, you can make it work. If its something you think will get you by for a while or a maybe then you will probably end up like tons of others. Finding a new job after a while. Just something to think about. Email me if you have anything you would like to know specifically from me. Good luck!

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        Rhodester,
        I recently purchased the J/D Scotts 42" hydro rider for 1198.00 at Home Depot. It is an awesome mower for the price. I use it to mow a couple of 2 acre lots and one or two [8D]big homes here in Friendswood. It is alot cheaper than buying those expensive ZTR's. However, I do own a J/D 36" wb that I cut most of my regular size residential homes. You will need to eventually step and buy a scag, j/d, exmark, or lesco wb. Keep positive, do a good job, and you will get more customers.
        Jeff
        "Quality Lawn Care and Maintenance"

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          Thanks everyone.

          Bodean,

          No use crying over spilled milk, but I paid $1698. for that mower and another $329.for the bagger, plus tax, also from Home Depot.
          Live and learn I guess.
          Perfectly good reason why I need help from you guys.

          Thanks again...

          Dave

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            Dave ... this is my best opinion given the information you provided. I am close to your market here in Connecticut and given your total circumstances I suggest you (NOT) go into lawn care or landscaping in that market. Instead as a way of earning a living I would suggest the (painting bizz) instead. Why? ... you sell the jobs, then supervise them with very little physical input and within a three year period you will have two or three painting crews on the road ... with very little invested in equipment. The work will be crew leadered by an experienced painter along with hispanic help. The income from this will easily exceed $100,000 a year with very little physical effort on your part. In addition, because painting jobs can go from 3 days to about 5 days at the same location, you'll be able to take on work at a distance of even 50 miles from your home base.

            Yours truly,

            Phil Nilsson

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              Phil,

              Now <i><b>that's </b></i> what I call a reality check.

              Yikes!

              Thanks for the straight shooting...

              Dave

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                I would take Mr. Nillson's advice. You better believe that if somebody that has been in the business for so long tells you not to get in it then I'd listen. Painting is a excellent idea. Overhead cost at first our low just like the lawn business and doesnt take laborers with a whole lot of skill. Run your business like a business and work smart that is my advice to you.

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                  Welcome to the community Rhodester!![]

                  If you like to mow (I'm assuming that you do), go ahead and start a biz in lawn care. If you like to paint, start a painting business. Most of these businesses are hobby/passion oriented, so pick the one you feel you would be most successful and satisfied doing.

                  If you don't like to paint, there is no reason you should start a painting business and likewise with a mowing business.

                  From what you listed, you have a start. You can start advertising and see how it goes, if you don't need cash right away. If you don't get any jobs or enough to support yourself, it's not a good business decision..

                  Good Luck!
                  Steve
                  Quality Lawn Care & Landscape Management
                  www.qualitylawncare.biz

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                    Just wanted to thank everyone for their replies.

                    Phil, I've certainly given your suggestion some serious thought.
                    In the seafood business, finding and keeping good help was by far the most difficult aspect of the job. The turf business was much the same in that respect. Depending on others, led to many long hours of "doing it yourself, if you want it done right"
                    I've spoken to several landscape/lawncare operators in my area who gave up on the lawncare end for exactly the same reasons.
                    I had been hoping to start something where I only needed to depend on the best worker I know, which is me.
                    This of course, leads to the obvious problem that if I get sick or hurt, the business will suffer.

                    Anyway, I'm still pretty upbeat about giving it a try.
                    I've been spending hours pouring over the search feature for possible answers to my many questions, in hopes of putting together a final and realistic numbers crunch for the true start up figure.

                    Again, thank you everyone, I'll keep you posted.

                    Dave




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