NO Diazinon! YES I still have ANTS! I have PIX!

[LawnTed]

Hi again ALL!!
So...................Diazinon is out of the question!
I still have ANTS! I have Pix below!
HOW do I get rid of them!!!

HELP!!! LawnTed

[Starman]

Cancel the Diazinon and place an order for a baggie, dustpan & broom. Those critter's are look'n pretty dead to me! :p

Not that you need to hear this from me but, pay attention to the words of wisdom offered up by Ric & Woody & heed their words of caution. Lots of good advice coming from these guys although at times their method of delivery might seem a bit crude. I've sat on the sidelines reading their posts (as a layperson) for the past nine months and truely know that I don't know sh%t about chem & fert applications. But the interesting thing is, the more posts I read on this site, the more I want to get a license. For the record I only apply fert & chem apps to my own residential prop. Even with that, I recognize I'm wasting my money (not to mention, probably applying incorrect ratio/amounts) and will be switching over to a commercial company soon.

What I really want to know is how do I get rid of my bag of Diazinon? I used about a cup from it 5 years ago but never wanted to use it again due to the hazzards associated with it.

[LawnTed]

Yep, they're DEAD Jim! (remeber the original Star Trek?)

YES! these ants DID DIE during this photo session!
Unfortunetly there are MORE!!!
That would be the problem!

HELP!!

[lorenzo piedra]

Since I can't tell the actual size of that pest I will assume you have carpenter ants.

You might want to either go to a proper GHP forum or the following website http://www.orkin.com/
before your home is be condemned due to structural damage.

[Starman]

I too had problems with carpenter ants in my first home. The critters shown in your pics look pretty similar. After trying local treatments (a squish here, a squish there that later progressed to aresol stuff and other unmentionable things) w/o affect, I soon came to realize I was only treating the symptom and not the problem. In my case, it was a moisture thing. My house was wrapped in black tar paper, was not vented and was sweating like crazy. These ants seem to love wood. I ended up re-clapboarding my entire home. In the process, I uncovered several nests in areas I thought were dry and weren't. I think the "Orkin" man will give you a fighting chance but, you'll ultimately need to identify and correct the problem that's making your house so appealing for these critters.
If these critters are Carpenter ants, here's a link you might want to take a peek at:

http://www.uky.edu/Agriculture/Entomology/entfacts/struct/ef603.htm

[dave_n_mulberry]

we used to use roach proof on carpenter ants. the acid in it would eat them. they drag the acid into the nest and kills a lot of the others. also cut tree limbs away from the house. they love to live in trees and follow a road to the house.

[Ric]

Ted

Your pictures are not clear enough for me to make a professional Diagnosis's. Knowing the species of Ant is crucial to treating them. I do not believe they are Carpenter Ants from the picture because of their color. I believe they may be Crazy ants but will not stake my reputation on it.

I did a quick search for a site that has Pictures of the common species of ants and came up with this one first. It might not be the best site, but should work for you. Look for Size, Coloring and shape to help id them. If not try another on your search engine. BTW you can answer many of your own question with just a little bit of effort and Goggle.

http://www.epestsupply.com/ants.htm?source=overture&kw=ants&ovchn=OVR&ovcpn=topkeywords&ovcrn=ants&ovtac=PPC

Termidor and Phantom are companion products that might not be the silver bullet, but have made Ant Control and other social insects, child's play. These are however RUP Restricted Use Pesticide by label law. Just being a Certified Pesticide Operator does not allow you to purchase of use them. You must also take a course and be certified to use them. This is required by the manufacture and so stated in their label so falls under label law.


It might be important to note that Insecticide fall into one of three categories.

1. Those that repel insects

2. Those that attract insects, Like baits

3. Those that are neutral.

Each of these have their place in control and should not be mixed in a manner that would negate their effectiveness. For this reason home cures often do more harm than good. Once again You pay a professional for what he KNOWS and not necessary for what he does.


Watch for My Book series on pesticide application. The first of which is Titled "Calibration for the Innumerate" soon to be out and hopefully available on this site. I wrote it first because, it is the area where most have trouble. No it will not be easy reading or as enjoyable as the other ones I am also working on. But it is the most important one to have a real working knowledge of. Those with 8th grade math skills will find it to be very handy and I am thinking about adding a laminated chart to keep in your truck. But those who struggle with math may find it necessary to seek help in order to get benefit from this book.

[Dr.Bizzaro]

You can purchase any RUP you might need over the counter in Mexico...no license needed...just money.

I go up to Oregon to buy AVID, as one can't get it down here....sometimes one just needs to traffic on the interstate...

[Ric]

You can purchase any RUP you might need over the counter in Mexico...no license needed...just money.

I go up to Oregon to buy AVID, as one can't get it down here....sometimes one just needs to traffic on the interstate...

Bad Doctor

Yes, with the right amount of Money, one could buy Weapons of mast destruction. That should take care of Ted's Ant problem.

[Dr.Bizzaro]

Gimme a break RIC....

you NEVER ever, EVER ran FREON accross the border? When they banned CFC's state side, insurgents would buy that in mass....to resell at LARGE profits...think of all the older cars down south.

I've even heard of insurgents bring it over in a motorhome.....

[bobkessler]

Ants???

Hi again ALL!!
So...................Diazinon is out of the question!
I still have ANTS! I have Pix below!
HOW do I get rid of them!!!

HELP!!! LawnTed

They do look like carpenter ants but it's pretty hard to do a positive ID from your pics. Carpenter ants have what's called a single "node" or spike on the thin connection (petiole) from the thorax (mid-section) to the abdoman (posterior). For positive ID maybe consult with your local extension agency.
The bad new is they can be quite difficult to eradicate since they commonly forage more than 100 yards from their nest. That often means they are in a neighboring yard, out of treatment reach for you.
You got some saavy advice on using Termidor (fipronyl) from Ric. Unlike most pesticides the ants cannot detect it, and carry the product back to the nest in many cases. Unfortunately, carpenter ants are one of the few ants that form satellite nests, meaning you may be dealing with several nests.
Fipronyl is not restricted in Fl., and I do not think it is a restricted use product anywhere since that is a federal designation. However just because you can buy it doesn't mean you can use it anywhere you want. Again check with your extension office on proper licensing.
I really couldn't figure out if these ants were a problem on your personal property, indoor, outdoor, whatever. Give me a little more info. and I'll try to help. Fipronyl is the active ingredient, and Home Depot sells it as a granular known as Over and Out. Lesco calls it Top Choice and has a little greater ae.
It is truly a great product, and worth every penny.

[Ric]

They do look like carpenter ants but it's pretty hard to do a positive ID from your pics. Carpenter ants have what's called a single "node" or spike on the thin connection (petiole) from the thorax (mid-section) to the abdoman (posterior). For positive ID maybe consult with your local extension agency.
The bad new is they can be quite difficult to eradicate since they commonly forage more than 100 yards from their nest. That often means they are in a neighboring yard, out of treatment reach for you.
You got some saavy advice on using Termidor (fipronyl) from Ric. Unlike most pesticides the ants cannot detect it, and carry the product back to the nest in many cases. Unfortunately, carpenter ants are one of the few ants that form satellite nests, meaning you may be dealing with several nests.
Fipronyl is not restricted in Fl., and I do not think it is a restricted use product anywhere since that is a federal designation. However just because you can buy it doesn't mean you can use it anywhere you want. Again check with your extension office on proper licensing.
I really couldn't figure out if these ants were a problem on your personal property, indoor, outdoor, whatever. Give me a little more info. and I'll try to help. Fipronyl is the active ingredient, and Home Depot sells it as a granular known as Over and Out. Lesco calls it Top Choice and has a little greater ae.
It is truly a great product, and worth every penny.

Bob

It might be of value to say Fipronyl takes about 5 weeks to be fully effective. Before Termidor I liked the Maxiforce Gel Carpentar Ant Bait. It sure saved me some crawling the attics.

From the Picture I can not agree with them being Carpentars Ants because of the solid black color. But I will also admit you are a lot sharper on GHP than I.

[bobkessler]

Termidor (fipronyl)

Bob

It might be of value to say Fipronyl takes about 5 weeks to be fully effective. Before Termidor I liked the Maxiforce Gel Carpentar Ant Bait. It sure saved me some crawling the attics.

From the Picture I can not agree with them being Carpentars Ants because of the solid black color. But I will also admit you are a lot sharper on GHP than I.

Thanks Ric good mention,
Yeah fipronyl is a long term solution. Be patient, advise the customer.
As far as the color goes he's in the NE, and I suspect they might be
C.noveboracensis which are all black. I think I saw a pronotal comb though in one of the pics, which is not a C characteristic. Hey we're all guessing here. That's what makes this fun!

[hardboiled]

I was just out by my willow where I have an ant problem, adn noticed the ants are taking the bait. I placed 3 Combat bait stations ( 2" round jobbies) with htis product in them. It's a relief to know they are visiting them, but how fast can they consume them? I suppose I should keep adding or replacing them before the 5-6 weeks are up in case they empty them out. I assume it is a large nest with lots of ants from the amount I saw when the branch fell. The remainder of the pack have been placed around the perimeter of the house.

I hope to find the gel soon and place it around the trunk of the tree or in the crotches. I wont be climbing as high as I suspect the nest to be.

[steve-o]

forget these other guys. i got about 10 cats and have no mice. get you an anteater and you can forget your ants......... just kidding.......i wish i could help but can't so listen to the others. good luck!!!

steve