Using bleach mix to spray weeds

[glassjoe]

has anywhere reading this ever used a bleach/water/surfactant mix to kill weeds in beds. i have heard of one company that does but have never seen any of there results becasue they are in atlanta and i am in florida. i know one of my customers sprays a bleach/water mix in his beds and it kills the weeds fast. he doesnt use a sticker/surfactant so it runs into the grass and kills that (a little bit) if it rains.
seems to me bleach might be a nice cheap alternative to a $130 bottle of roundup pro.
not that i would every use roundup in florida because i dont have my round-up spraying permit.

[RRS]

Main Entry: her·bi·cide
Pronunciation: '(h)&r-b&-"sId
Function: noun
: an agent used to destroy or inhibit plant growth —

It's still illegal no matter what you're using. If you're piissing on it an charging money it's still illegal.

Spraying bleach into the ecosystem is much worse than spraying Roundup.

[Ric]

Casey

Florida doesn't even add in the "for Pay" factor when handing out $ 5,000 fines. The only unlicensed application can be made by the person living on that propriety. Not even a landlord can treat his own propriety. Of Course Fines for using non EPA registered product only add to the Fine. Of course Bleach does a fine job of killing weeds, the same as Diesel Fuel. And when you get done with the cleanup of soil removable and replace with in the guide lines of the EPA you might find it is not as cheap as first thought.

Quick true story. A guy in my area advertised NON CHEMICAL ANT KILL without a license. He was using boiling water and doing it for free on his lawn mowing accounts. The State ate his breakfast, lunch, & dinner with fines.

[Seascape]

Diesel Fuel.

AKA,,,,,, Sticker Solution!

[glassjoe]

yeah i know, none of you have ever sprayed weeds with out a license, neither have i.
do you really think roundup is better for the environment than a bleach mix. Honestly? because i dont really know?
another point i might bring up is people who pressure wash tile roofs with a bleach solution and then kill the grass and stuff around the house. thats a pretty strong solution they use, we cant even mow a house where they are doing that because it burns your eyes, nose and if you drive through it, it makes tire tracks of dead grasss through the yard.
im pretty sure they dont need a license to use bleach, or if they do its not hard to get because everyone does it.

seems to me like a mild bleach water solution would be better for the environment and break down faster than roundup especiall since they are putting diquat in some brands of roundup. diquat makes soil sterile for a long time. the amount that might make it into well water would be so small it would probably be undetectable.

another thing, bleach can not be as bad for the environment as some pesticides. i just cant see that.

so all you guys who just blasted me about spraying weeds, i already know all the stuff you said. i was more looking for an opinion about bleach.... and about a sticker, there are a lot more stickers out there than diesel fuel.
so let me know what you think or have researched now.
bleach......... better or worse for the environment than round-up or diquat?
just politely asking for opinions here, if i wanted to be nagged on i would go to the strip club and come home to my wife with stripper glitter all over me.

[RRS]

Sodium hypochlorite is a chemical compound with the formula NaClO. A solution of sodium hypochlorite is frequently used as a disinfectant and as a bleaching agent; indeed, often it is simply called "bleach", though other chemicals are sometimes given that name as well.

Hypochlorite is a strong oxidizer, and the products of the oxidation reactions are corrosive, and can burn skin and cause eye damage, particularly when used in concentrated forms. Hypochlorite must not be mixed with organic materials (e.g. dirt), as the resulting trihalomethanes are carcinogenic.


Ecological Effects of Glyphosate

Non-Target Toxicity:

* Soil Microorganisms: Glyphosate and the surfactant have no known effect on soil microorganisms.
* Plants: Contact with non-target plants may injure or kill plants.
* Aquatic Animals: Glyphosate is no more than slightly toxic to fish, and practically non-toxic to aquatic invertebrate animals. It does not build up (bioaccumulate) in fish. The Accord and Rodeo formulations are practically non-toxic to freshwater fish and aquatic invertebrate animals. The Roundup formulation is moderately to slightly toxic to freshwater fish and aquatic invertebrate animals. Glyphosate and its formulations have not been tested for chronic effects in aquatic animals. Acute toxic level:

I'm no chemist, but reading this would lead me to believe Glyphosate which becomes inert when it comes in contact with the soil is safer for the environment than Sodium hypochlorite which can produce carcinogens when it contacts soil.

Source: www.epa.gov

[glassjoe]

now thats what im talking about, thats a some good info right there. what about diquat, what is diquat exactly. i would still like to find some info (im researching it as well) about a bleach water mix? how much is dangerous, is it even dangerouse when sprayed in small amounts? compared to pesticides? people thought ddt was safe for a long time, turned out not to be.

[RRS]

EPA Website Link

[TRANSMAN]

Herbicides/ Fertilizers, for dummies????

has anywhere reading this ever used a bleach/water/surfactant mix to kill weeds in beds. i have heard of one company that does but have never seen any of there results becasue they are in atlanta and i am in florida. i know one of my customers sprays a bleach/water mix in his beds and it kills the weeds fast. he doesnt use a sticker/surfactant so it runs into the grass and kills that (a little bit) if it rains.
seems to me bleach might be a nice cheap alternative to a $130 bottle of roundup pro.
not that i would every use roundup in florida because i dont have my round-up spraying permit.

I am asking a question here, because i freely admit when it comes to chemical applications, i need the yellow book that covers Fertilizers/Pesticides for dummies....

My question that i have is, "would bleach cut with water in any reasonable percent/ mix ,actually kill anything effectively????

When i was young child, and lived in upstate N.Y ,everyone had septic systems ,and a lot of the waste water actually would not permeate the N.Y clay...

This would result in the formation of a form a small septic marshland near the septic tank , and the grass fed with water ,bleach, and detergents would always grow like it was on steroids....10 X normal give, or take....

I used to cut the lawn for my grandparents.... My grandmother was very paranoid about germs ,and would pour a half gallon of bleach, plus detergents, with each load of laundry....I think grandma actually started the trend of prewashed faded jeans, that Levis saw on gramps, patented ,and changed the coarse of history , without granny getting any of the credit...

I would then drive the old Montgomery wards tractor through the marshland jungle, and this sewage fed section of lawn was always about 10 times the height ,and 10 X the lushness ,of the surrounding areas...

Did the nitrogen from the small amount of urine from the toilets, actually make up ,and counteract the detrimental effects of the other chemicals ??

I use grannys old lawn as the extreme example, because i remember she always went overboard pouring in the bleach, and other detergents when washing the laundry... Plus she did laundry every day ....

I noticed the same thing with all the neighborhood septic systems also , The grass was always greener over the septic system, so i have to wonder if bleach would actually be a very effective weed killer....

Gasoline on the other hand would kill the grass ,and nothing would grow for ???? many years....I wouldn't be surprised if the spot i had my little old Honda Z-50 parked in , where i always rushed ,and splashed the gas into the tank , with the associated drippage , is still void of grass 30 years later....

I am not advocating spraying the environment with gasoline.... The EPA would probably put you in the electric chair for sure , but i do have a old Popular mechanics magazine where they showed you how to dig a hole about 4 feet deep , put about 2 foot of crushed stone in the bottom, install a long funnel,then fill it up with dirt , and you could then safely dispose of the old oil by dumping it back into the ground funnel.....

Boy things have really changed, but back then again all the experts agreed we were entering the second ice age in the mid 80`s, and we were known as the paper tiger that did nothing except allow hostages sit and rot while the president told everyone to wear sweaters because all the gasoline and crude oil was depleted....

I was reading some magazine in the doctors office ,and there was a article about Mexico, and some other 3rd world companies having great results using human urine diluted at a ????? ratio mixed with water.... Something like 20:1 ratio i believe , i just got into the interesting part of the article, and the nurse called me in to weigh me, so i could then sit in some other room, and wait another hour to see the doc ,while twiddling my thumbs ,and get charged $250 to tell me my blood work was A- O.K....

Unfortunately i didn't bring the magazine with me ,and didn't get a chance to finish reading the human pee/ urine/ nitrogen/ free fertilizer connection....

Does anybody have input into any ,or all of my observations , and questions about why the bleach didn't seem to harm the grass????

And yes , i know urine sound like a strange option to everyday fertilizer, but in that magaziine it did say some countries actually use it in massive farming projects........

Sincerely, TRANNY...........Anyone tried the idea yet??? Must be high in nitrogen, and some other very healthy, heavy metals...

[SodBuster]

Same reason bleach (sodium hypochlorite) seldom kills shrubs when used in pressure washing. Bleach contains some of the 16 essential elements required for plant life. Man, I've power washed with bleach only to see the shrubs greener subsequent to washing.

When I was schooled in Horticulture it was 16 essential elements...

[lorenzo piedra]

Same reason bleach (sodium hypochlorite) seldom kills shrubs when used in pressure washing. Bleach contains some of the 16 essential elements required for plant life. Man, I've power washed with bleach only to see the shrubs greener subsequent to washing.

When I was schooled in Horticulture it was 16 essential elements...

So chlorine is now essential element?

Meaning that the higher the percentage of Cl on a bag of fertilizer the better?

[SodBuster]

I'll try to make it simple for you. Bleach (sodium Hypochlorite) chlorine containes some essential elements required for plant life. See lorenzo, you really know very little. Mostly general knowledge that every other bozo knows. Get real.

[Ric]

Same reason bleach (sodium hypochlorite) seldom kills shrubs when used in pressure washing. Bleach contains some of the 16 essential elements required for plant life. Man, I've power washed with bleach only to see the shrubs greener subsequent to washing.

When I was schooled in Horticulture it was 16 essential elements...

Busted

First lets spell the chemical correctly so we are on the same page "Sodium Hydrochloride"

Next have you ever looked back at a Sodium Hydrochloride pressure wash Job and seen all the dead plants and grass? I think not, because although chlorine is a micro element of fertilizer in small quantities, Sodium Hydrochloride is Toxic. Trust me there is a big differences.

Please go back to posting Pictures because when you went to school Nickel the 17th element of Fertilizer was not taught Therefore you didn't get your Nickels worth of Education and it shows big time. How be a good boy put the bottle away and take you meds. It is bed time.

[Ric]

First things First and I will try and keep it simple

What Is Glyphosate??? It is basically a soap or more like a detergent that happen to stop or slow photosynthesis in many Plants but not all plants. It can be used as a Growth regular, selective herbicide or non selective herbicide. Pour Roundup on Giant Evergreen Lirope and it will not kill it. Put it on Variegated Lirope and it will kill it slap dead. (Yes I plan on making a video for those who don't know plant names).


Glyphosate is the active Ingredient of Roundup and many other knock off brands. Truth is Monsanto makes most of the Knock off brands since their patent has expired. The only Difference is the surfactant that is added to help the Glyphosate work. If you read a Roundup Label, it will tell you not to spray it in Drainage areas or Ponds Lakes rivers Etc. WHY???? When Aqua-master has the same Glyphosate Active Ingredient in it and is labeled for Aquatic use. It is because the Surfactants will contaminate water and kill fish. However these same Surfactants once applied to soil are food for the Micro organism that live in our soil. These Microbes make the surfactants and the Glyphosate decompose and have no lasting effect on our environment. Therefore Roundup or Glyphosate is the Good Guy and the most financially successfully pesticide ever produced.

Sodium Hydrochloride is the By product of chloride a compound used in plastic, (example PVC) and in fact is a waste product that is treated by exposure to UV sunlight by Chemical plants. Clorox and swimming pool Chlorine are in fact this By Product that is so over produced by Chemical Plants that they must have acres of ponds to treat with UV sunlight before releasing into the river. The big Different in Roundup and sodium hydrochloride is the Environmentally Friendly part. Sodium Hydrochloride is an oxidizer and kills quickly because it actually burns the leaves. I am not going to try and repeat what has already been C & P here off a EPA website about the hazers of Sodium Hydrochloride to the environment. Or how it is effected by Microbes. However if enough is soaked into the soil it will take a long time for plants to grow there because it is toxic to the soil. Of course this is the reason Busted Post about Sodium Hydrochloride which he did even spell right was so much Bull Dung.

[TRANSMAN]

Whats the best mix????

I'll try to make it simple for you. Bleach (sodium Hypochlorite) chlorine containes some essential elements required for plant life. See lorenzo, you really know very little. Mostly general knowledge that every other bozo knows. Get real.

Thanks Sod... I'm gonna go to the dollar store tomorrow and get the 3 for a $1 special on bleach.....

What do you recommend i use as a proper mix ratio???? 20:1 or 50:1????

Whatever you say goes , so if it needs to be a higher or lower percentile please give me the facts....

Ric: I believe the digital camera sod was using is now waiting at the pawn shop because of a slight cash flow problem SOD experienced last week.... Plus that friend of his that just died ("BIG JIM" i believe was the name) ,might have been the owner ,and true source of all sods pictures.........

That's just a rumor that i heard though.... TRANNY.....

DONT FORGET SODBUSTER WROTE A BOOK ABOUT SOMTHING ...I THINK IT WAS HOW TO DRAW STICK FIQURES....