How late is to late for your winterizer?

[Bulldog26]

What tells you it's to late to put product down in the winter?

bt

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snow on the ground

[Stephen M.]

snow on the ground

and frozen ground. I was doing fert apps clear up to the day before the prediction of snowfall in the Puget Sound Area. Didn't get it all done. Now the darn white sheet is all over the place all due to the Canadians exporting their crappy cold air.

[1Chavez]

Another retarded law put into New York:
Fertilizer shall not be applied to any turf on any non-County owned real property any non-County owned real property by any person between November 1 and April 1 of every year, except as authorized by Section 8 of this law.

http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/legis/Resos2007/i2117-07.htm

http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/departments/CountyExec/Press%20Releases/Comprehensive%20Fertilizer%20Reduction%20Plan.aspx

[Stephen M.]

I always find it interesting to read the exemptions and the penalty parts of laws. My question is how does NY enforce the 3#/1000sf per year parts of the law?

Most law enforcement is complaint driven or do these counties set on a pile of cash to employ fertilizer police looking for violators?

It should be a no brainer to not apply fertilizer to frozen ground, but are uninformed home owners still using fertilizer as an ice melter? Lawns are an easy target.

Grass may not be producing top growth, but roots still grow unless soil temperature drops below 37*F.

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Another retarded law put into New York:
Fertilizer shall not be applied to any turf on any non-County owned real property any non-County owned real property by any person between November 1 and April 1 of every year, except as authorized by Section 8 of this law.

http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/legis/Resos2007/i2117-07.htm

http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/departme...on%20Plan.aspx

seems NY is NOT the place to live.

taxes on soda. since when is it right for the government to try and make people eat and drink healthy???

[Stephen M.]

seems NY is NOT the place to live.

taxes on soda. since when is it right for the government to try and make people eat and drink healthy???

Unfortunately, Government is always trying to legislate either morality or personal choices that are lawful.

In WA State, I'm involved with grassroots effort to keep the anti phosphorous lobby from legislating to remove it from lawn fertilizer to "protect" lakes and surface water. The usual approach is ban across the board a vital nutrient just because some stupid people living next to a few lakes don't know how to read labels and they follow the more is better principal.

The kicker is their use of junk science. The exemption is organic fertilers and compost. Dr. Eric Miltner, WSU Extension turf grass expert noted that a topdressing of 1/4 inch of compost on grass will have more P in it than chemical fertilizer such as 21-7-14. In fact, turf binds up any free P and very little runs off in surface water.

The several inches of garden compost that will be exempt under the P Ban will produce more P runoff into fresh water supplies, along with the P overload produced by leaf decay and the hoards of Federally protected Canada geese that grace our fresh water supplies.

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Unfortunately, Government is always trying to legislate either morality or personal choices that are lawful.

In WA State, I'm involved with grassroots effort to keep the anti phosphorous lobby from legislating to remove it from lawn fertilizer to "protect" lakes and surface water. The usual approach is ban across the board a vital nutrient just because some stupid people living next to a few lakes don't know how to read labels and they follow the more is better principal.

The kicker is their use of junk science. The exemption is organic fertilers and compost. Dr. Eric Miltner, WSU Extension turf grass expert noted that a topdressing of 1/4 inch of compost on grass will have more P in it than chemical fertilizer such as 21-7-14. In fact, turf binds up any free P and very little runs off in surface water.

The several inches of garden compost that will be exempt under the P Ban will produce more P runoff into fresh water supplies, along with the P overload produced by leaf decay and the hoards of Federally protected Canada geese that grace our fresh water supplies.

sure is a pain in the ass. i think NY has it the worst though. maybe it's just because i only here about them though.

i just know it seems like it's not a free country anymore with all the government tries to do limiting our freedoms.

[Sammy]

.......... i think NY has it the worst though. .........

What 1chavez posted is only for one county in New York.

[1Chavez]

In WA State, I'm involved with grassroots effort to keep the anti phosphorous lobby from legislating to remove it from lawn fertilizer to "protect" lakes and surface water. The usual approach is ban across the board a vital nutrient just because some stupid people living next to a few lakes don't know how to read labels and they follow the more is better principal.

Tell the same group of idiots that their soap is a source of P (well, might not work because tree huggers probably don't wash). The source of excess N around here is in septic systems. The right fix would be build sewers and treatment plants, but no one wants that, so they will blame it on something else to keep the tree huggers happy.

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What 1chavez posted is only for one county in New York.

who says i'm going by 1chavez???

i read online the other day about some new tax NY is trying for on soda. an 18% increase. a way the government is gonna try and force people to eat and drink certain foods. just like people are being forced to quit smoking.

i think this country becomes less and less a free country. when you have the government trying to tell people what they can and can't eat or drink.

it's my choice if i wanna eat fattening food and drink calorie loaded soda. and i shouldn't have to pay sheot loads more just to do it. the government shouldn't be forcing america to go on a diet, it should be each and every persons personal choice.

[Stephen M.]

Tell the same group of idiots that their soap is a source of P (well, might not work because tree huggers probably don't wash). The source of excess N around here is in septic systems. The right fix would be build sewers and treatment plants, but no one wants that, so they will blame it on something else to keep the tree huggers happy.

Funny you zeroed onto the septic problem. We have a similar problem here affecting the shellfish beds in my County. The State Dept of Health tests the coastal water on a regular basis, and when the fecal coliform levels get unhealthy, a quarrantee is issued to the County and they are expected to institute a Clean Water District. Its a fancy word for collecting fees and assessments to fund a water clean up.

This year, the local PUD took care of the problem for one beach community and installed sewer lines to a big pumping station taking the septage up hill to a large community drainfield. That will go alot further to cleaning up the shellfish beds than banning landscape nutrient enhancements.

The Lake Protection Association was established 12 years ago by the WA State Legislature for the purpose of developing legislation to do what its name says. Most of their funding has been cut, but they are the voice behind the proposed P ban. They feel pretty good that they helped pass legislation to ban P from detergents and now fertizer is the target.

While many of us within the Green Industry agree in principal with the P problem, we don't agree that lawn fertilzer should be the only product singled out as the scapegoat. Its going to be an interesting fight come Jan-April.