Hiring Hispanics (forms)

[gene simmons]

What are all the forms and identification is required to hire hispanics?

Is there a way to tell if the documents are genuine?


2nd question

I saw where president Bush is working on a new law to help immigrants work legally in yhe U.S. Has anyone heard of this?

Thanks!

[Phil Nilsson]

http://uscis.gov/graphics/index.htm

http://www.insexperts.com/

[gene simmons]

Thanks for the links.

[GrassMaster]

Sorry Delete Key got Stuck!

[Phil Nilsson]

Well my own thoughts are that without Hispanic workers, this biz would go broke in a New York minute ... about 40% would because that's the rough ratios that have them. If they ever decide to strike this biz (non-union style) companies would go broke ... and folks tell me they work about 125% to 150% better and harder than American born drifters, non-serious, slackers, temps, and directionless laborers. Much of the biz is dependent on them so treat them well is all I can say. They are great workers ... ask anybody.

Phil

[clclawn]

phil

that is right. Finnaly i 100% agree with you. if it wasn't for the mexicans, All of our employees may ( or would ) be union. I still hate the thought of giving jobs to non americans but you have one hell of a point.

[Phil Nilsson]

10 to 15 years (ago) if you had American born at $10 bucks an hour, (many did) what would they sit still for on that same payroll today? Help situation in this biz is a tough nut to crack ... gives new meaning to the word temporary ... in your yard sits "long range iron" ... on your books sits "short term sales" ... on your desk sits a revolving file of new hires, quits, temps ... and a case for stomach ulsers. Getting customers is a piece of cake ... doing the work and relying on others to do is where the nightmares start. I figure to be in any service biz if you can master the art of getting and keeping employees ... the rest goes down like crap through a goose! I just love that quote from General Patton! Ah-tenshunnnn! Eyes ... right! ... Present .... harmmmsss!

No wonder everybody is trying to get into the subcontracting ends of things

Outsource all those troubles guys ... do da ... do da ... outsource all those troubles guys ... oh ... do da day.

[Scaper-S2k]

Originally posted by Phil Nilsson
and folks tell me they work about 125% to 150% better and harder than American born drifters, non-serious, slackers, temps, and directionless laborers. They are great workers ... ask anybody.

Phil

Maybe the ones that actually work. Are you comparing Hispanic workers to American born "drifters and slackers"? There are many hard working legal Americans out there.

As for the Hispanics working 150% better?

"The most recent study by the National Research Council concluded that the cost of allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the United States is substantial. In California alone, it costs every native-born household nearly $1,200 each year to provide government services to immigrants. That is above what said immigrants pay in taxes.


Even after welfare reform, an estimated 34 percent of households headed by legal Mexican immigrants and 25 percent headed by illegals use at least one welfare program. By contrast, 15 percent of native households dip into the welfare entitlement pool."


Phil, what ever happened to you saying "Buy American"? That also means "Hire Americans" too.

[Phil Nilsson]

Take my word for it ... I'm one of the most knowledgeable people in my line of work ... that a fact Jack

[Seascape]

Ok phil, so this is what happened this morning.


Im just driving a couple sites and decided to stop and see a good friend in the biz. This guy goes way back owns what is probally the #2 or #3 install show in the city. Probally #5 #6 maintenance in the city. He is no joke. So im sittin in his office and we are just yappin about stupid stuff. I see a mexican go by the door with one of those dust mops and a squirt bottle hanging out his pocket. Thought that was neat because i dont even own a dust mop. My shop is way beyond dust mop material. A few minutes later he asks have i seen his new enclosed trailer. No,, so he wants to show off his new 22' enclosed custom shop on wheels that hes just added to his irrigation show. So he throws on his jacket and we begin our 15 acre hike across his compound to the furthest building. He has 5 or 6 i suppose plus his huge office building that seats 3 archs and offices for all his sales people and a few foremen. So on the way i see a grop of 3 more mexicans just walking from 1 building to another. So we go in this huge metal building and there sits some bobcats and a few 5 tons and all kinds of stuff. Im just envious at this point. Ive been to his shop often but i still get envious.So im looking at his trailer and im looking around the shop and i see 2 white boys and about 10 mexicans. So i ask him whats up w/ all the mexicans? He kinda laghed and said thats all hes hiring for the most part anymore. He said yrs ago he could spread the money around enough to keep all his people happy. Anymore he said its impossible. He said all of his are somehow related he thinks. He said they work twice as hard for almost half as much. He went on to throw a couple darts about one of the white boys that was standing in there,said he was surprised he showed up today,said he never knows. He was surprised i didnt have any under me. He said do myself a favor and get a few. I told him i have 4 good guys and havent had any trouble with spot labor thus far. Hes aware of a particular site i signed this past fall and brought that up, said w/ that site he would be willing to bet ill have 2 on my roster by june. That was kinda a joke i think. He also said thats all his wife uses on her michigan tree farm. So maybe your onto something.


mike

[Scaper-S2k]

Nothing wrong with hiring Hispanics as long as they are legal.

Most of the guys I hire are Germans.

Germans vs. Hispanics? Now that would be a great thread!!!

I wonder how Russians work. Heck, the Irish or Jewish for that matter!!!

[Phil Nilsson]

He said they work twice as hard for almost half as much.

American dollars buy a lot South of the border and Hispanics are not lazy many come from farms and used to hard work. I have NEVER ever heard a complaint about Hispanic workers but I hear lots of complaints about the others. And ... when somebody calls me with "labor cost problems" ... the first question I ask is ... do you have Hispanics working for you? ... and the answer is generally .......................... "No ... why .... are they better workers." Say what?

Phil

[Elwood]

I think the point that is being overlooked is that many are typecasting or "profiling" mexicans as better workers and whites as lazy.

This is completely false. I must agree that most of the mexicans that come to America, come here to work, not call in sick, call in hung-over, or not to show up. They come here to work. They do not have the lifestyle to support that most white people do.

In the whites defense, I must say that there are still a lot of great white workers out there. Not all are slackers and losers. I know first hand that Erich has a great group of employees and all of them could outwork most people I know. I know of many great companies that have many great white workers. Hell, after April 1st, Erich could probly not show up again until Dec. 1st and things would be in great shape and the business would probly have grown on it's own, just because of the quality and calibur of people he has working for him.

I feel strongly that each person has his own agenda when it comes to work, white or mexican. You just need to seek out the quality folks in your area, no matter what race they are.

[Seascape]

I think the differance is that theyre here to work. Kinda like if i go to texas to hunt whitetail you are not going to find me sleeping @ 5am nor down at the bar @ 5pm . More than likely you will find me in a tree stand some where.

Ive yet to figure out though how i would feel knowingly under paying a man. Not sure i have the gut for that.

I think they may be swraming on the jobs that none of us want. If an employer needs labor now and mexicans here about perhaps theyre the ones creating a line at the door. I know that when i put the word out,,, "hey we are starting those trees over in new albany so if you have anyone that may want a few days work run them by me" i dont get a line at the door. I usually get a guy or 2 stumble in w/ one of my full timers at 6:30 in the morning and by 2pm theyre leaning on the shovel.

But this still doesnt change the fact that i would need them speaking english. Thats all id ask. I dont care if theyre blue or purple,just speak english so i can communicate w/ you. I mean i might wanna rip your ass,,, i like to do that now and than to keep you on your feet. Bottom line ,,,, you gotta know english to work at my shop. That simple.
mike

[Phil Nilsson]

In the whites defense, I must say that there are still a lot of great white workers out there.

Sure there are but they're hard to find ... and the relatively low wages paid $7.00 to $10.00 plus or minus is not much to offer American born ... whereas with Hispanic help and especially those with families south of the border ... this money buys a lot.