HERBICIDES honcho vs. roundup

[rustyt22]

Here's the deal, going to get my limited applicator license Monday morning, but am ordering a non-selective herbicide now so I have it by next Wednesday for a job. The wholesale company I deal through has two brand f herbicide. Round up and honcho plus. Here's the dilemma. Round up is three times more expensive than honcho, but the salesman is telling me that honcho works just as good. I was hoping someon had some experience with this and could tell me whats best. Any help is appreciated...

[Stephen M.]

Rusty, I have no idea what Honcho is-never heard of it. Is it a commercial "to the trade" product or a homeowner product?

One thing to keep in mind is that the face cost is not the big deal. In this case, it could be a comparison between which is the better/best fruit: apples or oranges.

Let's say that Honcho is $45/ gallon, and Round Up Pro, liquid formula, is $56/gallon in 2.5 gallon package ($140/2.5gallons). On the face value, you would tell me "well dah, its Honcho".

On a per ounce basis, maybe Honcho is 35.2 cents per ounce and Round Up Pro, 2.5 gallon package, would be 43.75 cents per ounce. But then you read both labels and you might find out that for a 2% solution of Round Up, you only need 2 ounces per gallon whereas, for the same solution, Honch requires 4 ounces per gallon. Based upon that info, Round up Pro would be the better buy and lower cost even though its face value cost more.

Please read your labels, do your math, and get back to us. Don't get hung up on face value costs.

[Ric]

Professor Stone

You are asking too much. He didn't have to read anything before taking the Roundup Certification Test, He was given the all the answer in a lecture right before the test.

Stephen

Where are you buying Roundup at that high price??

[naughty62]

41%isopylamine salt of glysophate 8%surfacant 51%water.kills yards
dead ,nasty overgrown lot for seeding prep.never cross referenced labledsfor target weeds .cool season grass , some types of pig weed drink it for breakfast.cheaper

[Dr.Bizzaro]

Professor Stone

You are asking too much. He didn't have to read anything before taking the Roundup Certification Test, He was given the all the answer in a lecture right before the test.

Then the test has 3 answers to pick from....when I go to the Casino I wish I had a 1 in 3 shot...

[jgc8fan]

I'll tell you what I use on my "home" is the stuff from Wally World... 41% Glyophosate for $15 a 32oz bottle of concentrate. 2 oz per gallon mix rate (Think the name is Eliminator Weed & Grass Killer). The only catch for the low price is that it isn't rain fast worth a damn... If it's gonna rain within 24 hrs then it's not gonna work well. OTOH if it gets a day to dry it kills damn near everything.

I'll be getting my limited this year sometime too

Just compare labels... The "salt of glyophosate" is the ingredient that kills. Some other types of herbicides (off the shelf) use different ingredients that don't kill as fast (sometimes need several apps), but keep the weeds out longer. I prefer quick rather than long term.

BTW... If you are getting your limited can't you get something better rather than using home store products? I'd check for a specialty pesticide dealer in your area IMO.

[Stephen M.]

Ric, I don't buy liquid Round up Pro at that price; its from an old invoice that's several years old. I use the Round Up Pro dry formulation which I get at UAP (formerly known as Verdicon) for $14.50/# in the 6.8# container.

I never use the cheap gysophate knock offs, but the 41%+/- formulas.

[Dr.Bizzaro]

I don't know....with a name like HONCHO...it's gotta be tough!

maybe if it was being market to Latino LCO's it might be called, " PONCHO ", and the cover could have a switch blade on it, and a Virgin Mary.

[rustyt22]

Rusty, I have no idea what Honcho is-never heard of it. Is it a commercial "to the trade" product or a homeowner product?

One thing to keep in mind is that the face cost is not the big deal. In this case, it could be a comparison between which is the better/best fruit: apples or oranges.

Let's say that Honcho is $45/ gallon, and Round Up Pro, liquid formula, is $56/gallon in 2.5 gallon package ($140/2.5gallons). On the face value, you would tell me "well dah, its Honcho".

On a per ounce basis, maybe Honcho is 35.2 cents per ounce and Round Up Pro, 2.5 gallon package, would be 43.75 cents per ounce. But then you read both labels and you might find out that for a 2% solution of Round Up, you only need 2 ounces per gallon whereas, for the same solution, Honch requires 4 ounces per gallon. Based upon that info, Round up Pro would be the better buy and lower cost even though its face value cost more.

Please read your labels, do your math, and get back to us. Don't get hung up on face value costs.

I was trying not to get hung up on face value costs, butI cant see the label. Im tlaking to a employee of a wholesaler over the phone. I wasnt really trying to discuss whats in it as much I was just seeing if someone else had experience with it before to tell me if it worked or not. It is a commercial product and made by the same exact company as Roundup. It and roundup are both 41% glyphosphate, but I dont know about the other chemicals. Your point is exactly why im asking my question. If honcho takes three sprays of twice as much liquid to kill the weeds, Im going to be saving money on the cost, but wasting a lot more time (which is money) and solution (because it takes twice as much). In that case, Id much rather spend the money on round up and save the time and money in the longrun. But, if someone had used it on these forums and mentioned that they were very happy with it compared to round up (since they have the same % of the main ingredient), and that it didnt take extra sprays OR extra solution, Id much rather save that money and use the honcho....

Sorry to not explain all of this stuff more in the first post. So, same amount of gly at 41%, made by the same company (Sommanto or somehting like that), and recomends the same dosage per gallon. The only difference that I can see is the cost. Anything else I should look at before purchasing this stuff? (I have to buy $300 worth b/c they have a minimum purchase since it's wholesale and they deliver it with their own truck and charge a fuel surcharge thats next to nothing. So, Im going to have to buy a good number of bottles if I buy it, and dont want all that money to be a waste....)

BTW... If you are getting your limited can't you get something better rather than using home store products? I'd check for a specialty pesticide dealer in your area IMO.

I didnt post this earlier, but this isnt a home store product. It is from a supplier/wholesaler that also wholesales weed barrier, pots, seeds, fertilizer, persticides, etc. They're about 1/2 the cost of lesco, but sell really good name brands.

[LLee]

I have used Lesco's non-selective herbicide with same amount of glysophate as round-up pro and had less that desirable results. I think the difference may be in the surfectant that round-up pro uses. Anyway, I switched back to the round-up and get 2.5 gallons for about $95 from John Deere Landscapes. Lesco charges over $110 for it and about $90 for the prosecutor. I'm usually not too big on paying for brand name stuff if there is an equal product without the brand name that is cheaper, but I've found nothing that compares to roundup for nonselective one and done sprays.

[Ric]

I have used Lesco's non-selective herbicide with same amount of glysophate as round-up pro and had less that desirable results. I think the difference may be in the surfectant that round-up pro uses. Anyway, I switched back to the round-up and get 2.5 gallons for about $95 from John Deere Landscapes. Lesco charges over $110 for it and about $90 for the prosecutor. I'm usually not too big on paying for brand name stuff if there is an equal product without the brand name that is cheaper, but I've found nothing that compares to roundup for nonselective one and done sprays.

LLee

Prosecutor is in fact made by Monsanto and packaged for Lesco under that name. and several other names including Huncho. You are correct about the Surfactant being different and not working quite as well. Prosecutor is in fact the Roundup Original formulation, Improvement have been made over the years.

[jrservices]

http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld65U001.pdf

[Stephen M.]

Thanks for the info Rustyt22.

I was also thinking about the various formulas of glysophate. I know that its effectiveness depends on what salt is used as the carrier. I don't remember the whole discussion on it, but the salt will determine where the formula can be used [e.g. Rodeo vs regular stuff], its effectiveness, and cost.

Somebody mentioned the surfactants used, also an important ingredient. There was a product I used several years ago that was cheaper because you had to add in the surfactant, but while the cost was cheaper, it was a pain in the butt to add in an extra step into the process.

[crzymoe]

you can add your own sufractant, ill buy the knock off stuff anytime for the savings as long as it is labled for my use. still cheaper adding my surfactant to it.

[jgc8fan]

I didnt post this earlier, but this isnt a home store product. It is from a supplier/wholesaler that also wholesales weed barrier, pots, seeds, fertilizer, persticides, etc. They're about 1/2 the cost of lesco, but sell really good name brands.

That's not exactly what I meant... Regardless of where you buy it from or if it says "commercial" on it or not it's still glyphosate which is an over the counter herbicide... Once you have your permit you can buy restricted chemicals (provided the label only says "warning" or is it "caution"??? not sure on which exactly). What herbicides??? Don't know, but some of the licensed applicators on here can tell you I'm sure... Unless RoundUp is the best there is. Why do I doubt that... Hmmm.